I picked up these skis as an old demo pair back in 2020 and have ridden them hard ever since both alpine and telemark. Learning to telemark on these skis provided me the stability needed to charge through variable/wind blown snow that is all too common at Loveland. These babies charged through the crusty upper layer of windblown snow to reveal the goods below freeing the heel and skiing for real. But for real, I could work these skis into the ground first chair to last dropping cliffs, railing groomers and maneuvering through steep and deep moguls. The only thing I wanted out of the ski that it didn't provide me was the maneuverability of a wood core ski in tight areas. I found myself tired and almost sore after a long day of skiing the Crested Butte steep trees keeping the mindbenders in the right spot to get down. Overall these rock for hard chargers with hero thighs that want a do-it-all fatter ski for out west riding!